Cristóbal Gajardo on Practice, Self-Talk, and Musical Growth

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00:00:08: Hello and welcome to the Inner Take podcast.

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00:00:25: I will share my experience as musician What i've learned along the way And I'll also talk with other musicians About their journey.

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00:00:42: Let's begin... Hello everybody welcome to the inner take podcast once again today.

00:00:57: A very special episode because I have next To me and your guest which is a good friend And a colleague.

00:01:05: his name is Cristóbal Gajardo.

00:01:07: Cristóval Is a percussionist.

00:01:09: he was originally from Chile.

00:01:11: He currently living and performing in Hoff which is a city located in southern Germany.

00:01:17: He teaches there at the music school and plays also with the orchestra, he has lived in ten different cities across three countries and has studied at several universities without standing teachers such as Robert van Zijs and Peter Sattelow.

00:01:31: but Cristóbal is not only high-level musician ,he's also a high level athlete!

00:01:38: who has completed four marathons and many half-marathons.

00:01:42: Through sport he discovered something that I find fascinating, the way we talk to ourselves as musicians... ...and how mental training in sports can help us understand an improved at inner dialogue!

00:01:54: i'm very happy to have him here today and let's hear what he has to share with us.

00:02:00: Hello Cristóbal welcome to The Inner Take.

00:02:02: How are you feeling?

00:02:04: Hi, hello Ramon.

00:02:05: Thank you very much for the introduction.

00:02:07: I'm feeling great.

00:02:09: Yeah Thanks so much.

00:02:12: well i will not say they are my athletes just like a runner enthusiastic But thank you for their great and nice introduction.

00:02:22: It's so nice that you are here talking to with me and we does at the inner tech podcast.

00:02:27: Cristobal, I would like to start with The first thing.

00:02:30: You have lived in ten different cities and three countries which is a lot for many people also from me and Emigrating.

00:02:40: it's a big topic as a big issue And my question for you could be what when you look at this process today?

00:02:46: So, all the things that you lived during last years.

00:02:50: What is your feeling with this?

00:02:51: And what spaces do think you needed or did feel was missing and how it's experienced for you?

00:02:59: I mean... It has been a great experience!

00:03:04: from what I lived and what i did, uh...and what I experienced in these different cities and countries.I think as a person I try to learn from everything.

00:03:15: And yeah it started well.

00:03:19: ...uh..i was born in Santiago but then I grew up in the north of Chile and Antofagasta.

00:03:24: Then I moved to Santiago ,then I was in the States in different three cities .And then Germany um ..I think I learned a lot from the culture, from people.

00:03:39: Sometimes one person learns also what it's not supposed to be like.

00:03:46: that you know?

00:03:47: It is these famous things as we learn for everybody and every thing happens with us sometimes how you should not do it and teach or say many things.

00:04:03: And that is also important, a lesson.

00:04:06: Great!

00:04:06: Thank You.

00:04:06: How was your hometown Chile?

00:04:13: I was twenty.

00:04:14: I was twenty, i moved to Santel when i was sixteen.

00:04:18: Then i went to the states and then in the state.

00:04:21: so it's in Pittsburgh two years starting with Timothy Adams... ...then started my bachelors with Robert van Zijs in Peabody Conservatory in Baltimore four years there.. ..and did my masters at Yale University also with Robert Van Zijst for two years in this small city, New Haven Northern from New York.

00:04:45: So yeah that was definitely a fantastic experience.

00:04:50: I mean to be Yale University studying with him and having fantastic teachers all over the place.

00:04:56: it was really great.

00:04:59: Fantastic experience!

00:05:00: so now that the name Robert van Zijs came up Kristofel contacted me when he heard the inner tech podcast.

00:05:09: And he told me, Ramon Gray that you are talking about this and I had a teacher who was working with all of my students on this emotional size for the players which is Robert Van Zijs.

00:05:24: So if you like can tell us how it started?

00:05:30: What were his things to not only to talk about music with you, but to talk emotions or the way we feel when playing.

00:05:39: Yeah I mean this what your doing in this podcast resonated a lot because it reminds me of how many things that Bansai did as students and i say with us.

00:05:52: he used to teach in masterclass format.

00:05:55: so off course u had ur lesson But when he was living at the time in Hawaii, so he was traveling to the continental United States and then He was teaching like hardcore.

00:06:08: Like it was three days at Peabody And we were having our lessons private lessons with him and then We had masterclasses where everybody have to be there a Timpani master class Merrimba Master Class snare drum master class or chamber music master class.

00:06:23: sometimes we had also master classes about topics like, okay how do I do it after i finish school?

00:06:33: what is coming up to me after i finished school.

00:06:36: How do i deal with composers and many things?

00:06:39: that there's the business of music not only just playing for him.

00:06:45: so i feel like i was really well prepared to their real world when they say After You Finish School.

00:06:53: And one other topic that resonated a lot he always talked about these two emifers of your brain, the left and right.

00:07:02: He said that all the logical thinking is the technique.

00:07:07: for example let's take a non-percussion.

00:07:10: it says share a sad.

00:07:10: third movement.

00:07:12: there are small snare drum passages very difficult and very nerve racking soft playing snare drum.

00:07:19: And in this passage don't think with you're left side talks about your technique, how I move my arms.

00:07:28: Think with the right side of their brain which is all the creative thinking All this thinking of Shara sad and she dancing And all these eye matches Which gives you emotions and give you essence Of peace.

00:07:48: When go to that side when think not only for the notes, like you have an image of this piece there is no fear in this side of the brain.

00:08:03: There's no fear.

00:08:04: it just like relaxing and enjoying the music And to go inside a sound... No fear I think functioned well better Just like relaxing.

00:08:19: I mean, of course you need to have this technique and practice.

00:08:23: You need the job to be able to play that.

00:08:28: but in a moment when we are on stage thinking about these other thoughts gives us more relaxing and calms down or in front of people.

00:08:47: And this was also you worked with him, uh... In the lessons?

00:08:51: Or these were just things he told during his class auditions?

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00:08:58: I mean, in the masterclass and in the lessons because in the masters' classes we're supposed to play for example a marimba piece for the twenty measures of this marimba piece, really hard marimbabies.

00:09:18: Everybody prepare and then you play in front your students.

00:09:22: so there was these very nice atmosphere at the percussion studio where friends with them went out to eat after their master class.

00:09:34: they were like friends.

00:09:36: everybody worked close together to me and everybody in the masterclass.

00:09:46: And then, your private lessons were things that you are working with him

00:09:50: also.".

00:09:50: I mean one of their thing is remember it was like preparation for a piece or marimba pieces.

00:09:55: when we start studying a piece he said okay everyone leaves your sticks down because we're gonna talk about this.

00:10:03: who's composer why he wrote his piece?

00:10:06: what does it means?

00:10:07: The whole story behind music because this is extremely important.

00:10:14: This helps you understand the piece and give a message as a musician, an artist to give it to their audience.

00:10:26: I mean... You don't just play what's on the page story, you say a story and to give the story.

00:10:38: You need this information.

00:10:40: what is his piece about?

00:10:41: What's he composer?

00:10:42: in which moment of his life wrote it like this research also how did these pieces and stories relate to your personal story.

00:10:58: I mean, you talk about a lot how.

00:11:00: that's important too?

00:11:01: You are a person first of course!

00:11:02: Of course you're a person First...you need to have stories and then relate it with this piece.

00:11:10: And Then YOU are the one on stage giving performance or saying any story in this piece.

00:11:16: I don't know if i explain myself.

00:11:18: No its great..I can say two things.

00:11:22: The first is before an audition.

00:11:25: You know, you did all the work.

00:11:30: And to connect yourself with this left brain side.

00:11:39: it's such a small move but very intense because suddenly thinking about something else and your hands are going to respond or play But then this kind of a fresh air that goes inside.

00:11:57: I had also one experience with Bernhard Wolf, I played for him and before...I wanted to start And he said wait-wait-wait.

00:12:05: please think about A situation when you were happy making music This feeling of happiness making music.

00:12:15: For me it was ah Okay!

00:12:18: And i remembered one.

00:12:20: so connect me with something completely different at this moment, which I was very stressful because it wasn't for him and you have no plate for him.

00:12:28: And i think that is a great resource to work with students.

00:12:32: Okay so you said Christofa Person-artist musician.

00:12:38: So why is this important?

00:12:41: When did you realize about the order?

00:12:45: That's a good question.

00:12:46: when I realized It is extremely important I mean, that's how life works.

00:12:54: This is the order... You were not born a musician?

00:13:01: A person makes himself a musician.

00:13:04: A person who finds his own art and music as an artist comes to this world first!

00:13:17: And everything what happens in your life.

00:13:19: Then you take these stories and try to give a message because that's what we want.

00:13:27: To be musician, an artist who gives the message.

00:13:31: I mean this is one of most important things.

00:13:36: We are human beings And then...we're human being.

00:13:42: Who decided to dedicate our jobs to art?

00:13:48: We are specified in music because there is other people.

00:13:53: I mean, i know people who make different.

00:13:54: they paint also you know and this is different kinds of art.

00:13:57: um...I remember when I was very young.

00:14:04: a teacher told me that don't forget That You Are A Person First.

00:14:11: Now When Do You Find Out About This?

00:14:17: very clear when I was like maybe twelve years old and i was really into percussion, listened to a lot of music in my house.

00:14:28: I always listened to music at home.

00:14:30: both of my parents listened to opera classical music the whole time.

00:14:35: they know operas better than me.

00:14:36: it's crazy.

00:14:38: but this teacher told me don't forget that you are a person first because there is.

00:14:47: There is sometimes people who just go into the music and they forget that there are a person, one's human.

00:14:57: And you can make mistakes You know?

00:15:00: These mistakes always help to create stories That you tell through music.

00:15:09: I mean it's one of most important things

00:15:12: Absolutely!

00:15:13: I agree with you.

00:15:14: How now being teacher and work in these things.

00:15:19: Can you can you work on this aspects with your students?

00:15:21: Yeah, I mean uh i was being coached for a youth orchestra for a couple weeks.

00:15:28: they were doing Cherosat And it was very interesting because there weren't from thirteen until twenty years old at the range of age And we talk about Ceresada.

00:15:39: A couple of them knew a bit, and did not know so much.

00:15:44: So I made him talk to himself.

00:15:47: We started working on the music Just like seeing how this process of having a story.

00:15:59: as person you can reflect on your music.

00:16:03: And then in my day-to-day job I have a small student, there are young students.

00:16:08: they're seven or eight years old and i have older too but it's...I think You could also work with these very young students.

00:16:18: for example There is the story of a snare drum atude that they had to play.

00:16:24: It was not so long ten measures.

00:16:28: And they come to the lesson.

00:16:30: and I told them at the beginning of this, you know?

00:16:33: You're gonna play this dude from memory.

00:16:38: They don't believe me!

00:16:39: No it's impossible...I cannot do that.

00:16:41: Yes you can yes..you CAN do that and i'm going to prove you.

00:16:45: so we start working.

00:16:46: two measures four measures little by little.

00:16:49: then comes a point close to the end of the lesson.

00:16:53: I take the book away and say, okay play there too from beginning to end.

00:17:00: And they do it!

00:17:04: At this moment at the end of the lesson when they finish their tune...they play a completely different memory.

00:17:11: They look at me.

00:17:12: This phase is like..I didn't know i could do that.

00:17:17: pull out that of me.

00:17:19: And this is an unbelievable moment.

00:17:21: as a teacher, I mean just to see their happiness and just like realizing the capacity they have did not explore before.

00:17:33: That's really amazing!

00:17:35: As human beings you can only see it in small and very young percussionists.

00:17:43: Also for us adult people We don't know where our limits.

00:17:52: we can do way more than we think.

00:17:59: It's normally will limit ourselves But there is always more.

00:18:04: and this also this positivity to think you Can do it?

00:18:09: I mean, just need to believe on that of course.

00:18:11: Do the work off courses hard.

00:18:13: yeah who doesn't?

00:18:15: I'm not saying it's not her I'm just saying that you can't do it.

00:18:20: You just need to push maybe a little bit more and have a plan how to do it.

00:18:26: Yeah, sure It's great so they are.

00:18:28: they're grateful to have your set teacher?

00:18:31: It's very nice.

00:18:32: So.

00:18:34: and then in the inner type podcast we have the idea That every person has an inner source.

00:18:41: so as An Inner world full of emotions, sensations ideas experiences things that are with you since the time You were born.

00:18:52: Since that you get through experiences to life and one Of the things you have which I think is really fascinating is sports.

00:19:01: so how did sports enter your life?

00:19:05: And How did it become a tool for self-knowledge.

00:19:11: well Sports entered my life later on.

00:19:16: I mean, in two thousand nineteen probably it was where i really start hard on the sports and before like a normal person just did a bit couple things about what's really concentrate music and studying and I started running in twenty nineteen a lot.

00:19:41: Once I said, hey maybe I can run a marathon.

00:19:44: Why not?

00:19:46: And I put this objective in front of me and decided okay let's just train for it and do it!

00:19:54: Then I started realizing again to what we talked before is like say ok i have a maraton ,I sign up for it .

00:20:02: I pay the fee that you had to pay and start training.

00:20:08: And I was like, oof!

00:20:09: I don't know if i'm gonna make it...I remember when I ran my first marathon that I was really afraid not because I didn't know whether or not to do this.

00:20:18: Because there are a couple of stories where people say It's really hard in your body.

00:20:26: And then I thought wow.. I just need to know how am going to try to finish the race and if it's going to affect my body.

00:20:37: I mean, of course is gonna find my body better in which way?

00:20:40: And this process like preparing for a full marathon, forty two kilometers made me learn about myself...about mind-body.

00:20:51: how do i react?

00:20:54: what do i want when you are running?

00:20:58: there is really good book that will recommend.

00:21:01: This is from Haruki Murakami.

00:21:04: It's one of my favorite novelists.

00:21:06: that it's called, What Do I Talk When I Talk About Running?

00:21:10: In this book he talks...I mean He's a great marathonist and he talks about the hardest part of The Marathon Is From The Thirty-Five Kilometer!

00:21:20: From the thirty five to the forty two.

00:21:22: That's the hardest because you are so extremely tired And You Need To Keep Telling Your Brain To keep doing that.

00:21:32: Although your body says no, please stop.

00:21:35: Stop.

00:21:36: Stop stops top right now.

00:21:37: see that bank.

00:21:39: Please sit down there and see the banana they give you just grabbing to stay there.

00:21:44: And this is it's amazing because it's like a this one of things I learned with marathons in a fight Your body against your mind?

00:21:53: And I mean one of their famous marathonist Elliot Kipchoke from Kenya.

00:21:58: he says I don't run with my legs.

00:22:04: It comes to a point... I mean, thirty-five kilometers and probably early?

00:22:08: I don´t know where everybody is different.

00:22:11: it comes the point that your body just cannot anymore And you need to keep going with your mind.

00:22:18: Wow!

00:22:20: This is an inner dialogue You have running.

00:22:25: How can you compare this inner dialogue?

00:22:28: music.

00:22:29: Because we addressed also the podcast that musicians and myself as well, I had a lot in the past.

00:22:37: now it's little bit better this thing to say you're not practicing enough You are going to mess up when playing in front of your teachers And i can imagine to finish a marathon.

00:22:54: if u have these thoughts At the kilometer thirty five you're out.

00:22:58: I mean, there's no way You can with these mindsets to go on.

00:23:01: so how?

00:23:02: How are they inner dialogues in music and sports for you?

00:23:06: This is a great question Ramon because this Is Probably the same.

00:23:12: i mean many people say I don't.

00:23:15: I Don't Say it only not Only me.

00:23:18: other People say A musician It's like an.

00:23:21: As athletes, I mean Extremely high-level athlete is the same as a musician because the thoughts are the same.

00:23:32: When i was running my first marathon there's so many thoughts that come to your head.

00:23:36: First you're left leg hurts then A couple minutes and then the right leg hurts.

00:23:42: Then oh no!

00:23:43: My legs are okay actually...my shoulder hurts.

00:23:46: And these thoughts come and go.

00:23:49: They just come and go.

00:23:50: The thought of stopping, how many times I thought like what am i doing?

00:23:55: Just running here alone!

00:23:56: I remember...I remember in nineteen I ran my first smart on.

00:24:00: then until twenty-two thousand twenty there was a pandemic two marathons and I organized myself, quasi.

00:24:10: I put like...I remember on a tree of banana i just ran the distance by my self.

00:24:15: And then I remembered thinking what am I doing here?

00:24:18: Just alone running?

00:24:22: Yeah but this is the same thing with music.

00:24:28: Thoughts come and let them go.

00:24:31: It's just thought.

00:24:32: It's okay, it is ok to think about things.

00:24:35: Everybody has their thoughts.

00:24:36: I mean...I confess in concerts what am gonna eat after the concert?

00:24:42: What do i have tomorrow?

00:24:44: maybe percussionist?

00:24:45: we are more time free but also playing while you're playing there comforts and You cannot shut that off.

00:24:58: You need to, I think once the person needs to learn how do you deal with these thoughts?

00:25:03: Okay.

00:25:03: It comes in negative thoughts like why are you doing...you're not good enough?

00:25:08: okay that doesn't help.

00:25:09: just let it go and remember.

00:25:11: hey!

00:25:11: You were practicing for this piece..You were practicing a lot for this concert And you are now playing the concert.

00:25:19: Do know this piece.

00:25:20: These are better thoughts.

00:25:22: I mean, maybe and you're in the let's put a marimba piece.

00:25:26: You're on the middle of the Marimba Piece.

00:25:28: Oh now comes The part that is like waves Okay?

00:25:31: Now the ocean.

00:25:32: thinking about the ocean.

00:25:33: This helps you.

00:25:35: this helps to give out discourse.

00:25:37: i usually have A story with definitely with solo pieces And when i play chamber music with violin i have my duo.

00:25:48: We have a story together and just have fun, just relax.

00:25:53: And when something goes wrong well it's just go wrong.

00:25:57: okay we are humans!

00:25:58: We make mistakes but the way you talk to yourself is like... You cannot keep slapping yourselves with a whip that whole time.

00:26:11: there is hard work to do.

00:26:13: yes of course There Is Hard Work To Do But There Are Moments Where You Need Just Enjoy And just be free and play for the audience.

00:26:23: Yeah, this is very important because now we have some experience.

00:26:27: We're not the youngest ones here.

00:26:31: But when you are studying You know?

00:26:33: When you first met your teacher... ...and trying to do everything To give the best of you That your teacher says it's good or bad It's so difficult having a big picture to say, okay I practiced it.I did it and after a concert this went not very well but its ok because i have another chance tomorrow.

00:26:58: so that's why what you are saying is important for people especially if they're studying with the studies of music.

00:27:08: there was something when we were talking about making podcasts some topics.

00:27:17: What happened in this concert when you had to play Capriccio Español by Korsakov?

00:27:24: How was his experience.

00:27:27: Well, for example... For the people who don't know, Capricio Española from Korsakov there is a... In The Fourth Movement there's a solo snare drum solo long roll with the trumpets that trumpet players have found far and they are rolling their whole time.

00:27:42: then big diminuendo to Pianissimo.

00:27:46: And then you have to hold this pianissimo role and comes the Violin cadenza,

00:27:51: which is one of... Sorry?

00:27:54: Which is one Of The Most Difficult Things To Play On This Neodrome?

00:27:57: Right Yeah!

00:27:57: And Then You Keep Holding This Long Soft Role For A Long Time Which Is Really Hard And That's The Whole Thing.

00:28:09: I Asked My Colleague to play this piece.

00:28:16: I could have played another piano part but i told him, hey Capriccio Spanish comments said can i play a snare drum?

00:28:22: So yeah of course knock yourself out.

00:28:25: and i remember...i had to practice.

00:28:28: i was like okay capriccio's coming i need to practice.

00:28:30: there is a couple other things that came.

00:28:32: i was preparing another marimba piece and other things..I did practice not as much But I was like, OK.

00:28:41: Life happens!

00:28:42: I did prepare but well not as much.

00:28:45: The first concert went okay.

00:28:47: It went ok because...I was really nervous.

00:28:52: Your colleagues are far percussionists.

00:28:54: they're sitting They all know exactly how hard is that And you play in front of your percussion colleagues and the rest of the orchestra.

00:29:03: Of course the audience.

00:29:04: You are playing for these people.

00:29:08: I start realizing that actually, i had to just calm down.

00:29:12: I have to just come down my breathing and remember to breathe out And it will work.

00:29:22: Then the first concert was Friday.

00:29:25: It went a couple of things.

00:29:28: Whatever happens Saturday went better and then Sunday Way better than Saturday.

00:29:39: and I was like, I didn't practice so much between Friday and Saturday.

00:29:43: Didn't have time And saturday sign that also did not practice.

00:29:48: the only thing i did different It's just say learn how to calm yourself down Just breathe out.

00:29:54: I Practice...I can do this in the moment!

00:29:57: I remember doing this diminuendo and just breathing.

00:30:01: it is everything okay?

00:30:03: Just relax and think about The C far away, then comes the violin.

00:30:09: Fantastic colleagues play in the Violin Cadenza and it's gonna work!

00:30:14: And this is...and I would really like to say that as a system you build these through time because one of things i know happens a lot Is that you have some performance anxiety.

00:30:29: Okay now we start thinking about waves.

00:30:33: I mean, it could work but you have to practice like you did in the States.

00:30:43: Okay now i'm going to play and think about something that doesn't need to be related with playing but emotions or ideas or images which help me playing.

00:30:55: You can build this!

00:30:58: That is so important.

00:31:03: work with the students also in their lessons to build this, you know?

00:31:08: To build a space.

00:31:08: A safe space for you.

00:31:10: when you have to play these things and say okay now I'm going to think about it And i am sure because you built it during your years It's like you had confidence to say yeah definitely that thing.

00:31:22: Now im gonna try to breathe out and hear my colleagues.

00:31:27: look how fascinating they played You know?

00:31:31: First concert was okay.

00:31:33: Second, it's better and third one is much better.

00:31:35: so this also a sign of what work does over time you know?

00:31:42: This progress... You get overtime not once but yeah during-during times.

00:31:49: I remember I remember Robin van Zijtzei in A Lot Of The Times with things like that.

00:31:53: i don't know..I KNOW THAT!

00:31:55: I DO THAT!

00:31:58: Yeah, this is like yeah you know it But do you practice?

00:32:02: Do you do that to you because he takes time.

00:32:04: I mean being on the stage.

00:32:06: It's like really Nerve-wracking for people just like two step on the state absolutely and then with With these light and everything in the audience there to say okay now i'm gonna do This i'm Gonna calm myself are going relax.

00:32:21: does another Another step Like You need To go a Step by A step?

00:32:26: building this confidence, I think is the power or strength of your mind in deciding what you want to do and give best results.

00:32:46: To say okay, I practice it!

00:32:56: and it's gonna work.

00:32:57: Yeah, that's great!

00:32:59: I recently did another episode of the Inner Type Podcast when i'm talking about guilt.

00:33:05: so how guilty we feel musicians all time because we think We should have been practicing or...we should practice eight hours or seven hours or six hours.

00:33:16: And this is always a feeling of It's never enough.

00:33:19: It's never enough, I have to do it.

00:33:24: In this episode i give an advice To people who is going take it.

00:33:31: But when you say the sentence I must practice eight hours To also have a sentence I already practiced today.

00:33:49: I already did what i had for.

00:33:52: To, you know to fight against this idea of we have to do these and say okay!

00:33:59: I did my job today...I did what I had too..i wanted to practice five hours.

00:34:04: so also advice people make a timeline like an orchestral rehearsal two-and-a half hour ok?

00:34:12: This is the study.

00:34:13: take a break here.

00:34:14: These are the two and a half hours that I want to practice.

00:34:19: And when I finished, I said, Are you ready?

00:34:22: Practice it otherwise It's this thing.

00:34:25: Okay, it's never enough.

00:34:26: on When your practicing You're thinking yeah i'm practicing but I really should be more.

00:34:33: ours and I'm talking To you about is because now I am relating it with With Cristóbal.

00:34:39: we had We have work Days in cologne where we play a percussion trio will rehearse it and he stayed at my place.

00:34:48: I don't know if you remember, but i remember

00:34:49: yeah.

00:34:49: Yeah of course i remember.

00:34:51: clearly

00:34:52: he stayed on my place And uh?

00:34:55: I told him okay We have started tomorrow.

00:34:57: attend what do you think?

00:34:58: yeah He said it's ok.

00:35:00: I'm going before our rehearsal.

00:35:03: I am going to the river to run.

00:35:07: I ran as well, but not as much as Cristobal.

00:35:10: And then I asked him okay how much did you run?

00:35:13: or where was your track?

00:35:15: Where were you?

00:35:16: oh today i had to do ten kilometers and i did ten kilometers.

00:35:19: one hour and ready!

00:35:22: Now that im talking about this Im thinking...I don't know if it's with sports like these because..i have the feeling You HAD TO DO TEN.

00:35:33: YOU DID TEN.

00:35:34: IT'S OVER There is no more, actually I have to.

00:35:37: I need it do fifteen because its not possible for you to do fifteen.

00:35:41: It's today is ten tomorrow is twelve or five i don't know.

00:35:44: and with music what?

00:35:45: I think it's like No matter how How many hours Do You spend it always I should Have done More I Should Have Practiced More.

00:35:54: how do you see this between also Between Sports Music Or What do you Think About it?

00:35:59: as an Excellent Question I mean I think he starts.

00:36:02: Art Is Perfect.

00:36:04: Art is perfect and this perfection we try to bring it To our studies as a musician, trying to reach this Perfection.

00:36:15: But we forget that We are humans!

00:36:18: We're not perfect.

00:36:20: So maybe you can say A human being... ...a person who's not perfect Could be really good but I don't think Humans are perfect.

00:36:29: We make mistakes.

00:36:31: This person is dealing with something that's perfect, which is art.

00:36:36: And there starts a problem.

00:36:39: what do you say about the?

00:36:42: I want to practice eight hours and... ...I couldn't do it but maybe i should do more?

00:36:47: When did you make it for those eight-hours?

00:36:49: You said ah!

00:36:50: But this role didn't sound so well Maybe they'll do some more.

00:36:53: No I think it's a problem of organization as the person you are dealing with.

00:36:58: something is so big You will never nobody will ever play all the pieces off All the percussion concertos, or the violin concerts.

00:37:06: Nobody would do It.

00:37:07: just need to limitate and say what how much?

00:37:10: Do you want to do?

00:37:11: this is organization?

00:37:12: Okay today i do five hours Or i did four or eight or one.

00:37:17: i mean you first need To calculate.

00:37:19: okay you have rehearsaled you have to teach you Have to eat you had to sleep so many things.

00:37:25: that's alive as a person, then is it possible for us to practice eight hours?

00:37:32: I done in my eight-hours but not like the whole week.

00:37:37: If somebody can make it because they don't know how to cook.

00:37:43: first of all this question... Is It Possible?

00:37:46: and start counting the hours.

00:37:48: And then when it's yes, let's say that is five hours.

00:37:51: Five hours is more likely to do all right?

00:37:53: Five hours!

00:37:55: Then do your five-hours and be finished.

00:37:58: just go have an ice cream, go have a coffee listen some other music.

00:38:03: I listened to a lot of jazz and i love jazz.

00:38:06: And this is very.

00:38:07: it's how the same way that works sports works when I was training for maraton...I think I was trained in.

00:38:13: yeah..i remember perfectly at the time Yeah!

00:38:15: I say okay ..I got running ...I do ten kilometers done you know but you need too....you need to do that.

00:38:22: so in order two months run a half marathon or a full marathon.

00:38:27: You need to have these little blocks that they start building, this big building.

00:38:34: but because when you are in the performance...the audition..or the race your mind says okay I am easy and i'm in peace with myself Because all of those blocks touch this world.

00:38:50: I practiced five hours, i went running the ten kilometers.

00:38:54: so...I'm in peace with myself and it's like you need to find this piece yourself.

00:39:01: of course do your work but then enjoy!

00:39:05: we are here at this world to enjoy life.

00:39:09: It is a beautiful thing.

00:39:10: We're not just here to slap ourselves working crazy.

00:39:18: I mean, yeah you can work a lot...I worked really hard but i organized myself that..i can do it and also have a life!

00:39:28: Yeah amazing !

00:39:29: And also one of these things that he said to make peace with yourself ..and to have made all this small steps for me ...also one very important step in the career of musician.

00:39:41: ,you know taking big picture is Bad concerts and to have lived things that didn't go well.

00:39:50: And two learn from this, you know?

00:39:52: We are percussionists.

00:39:54: There was a concert where my mallet flew away playing.

00:39:59: This is part of my career.

00:40:00: I'm not bad musician because of it Because i meet people and hear things like this didn't work well.

00:40:08: Marta Argarage had for sure concerts.

00:40:11: when she said maybe It wasn´t so good.

00:40:14: Or you know, the best artists are where they are because... ...they also have this.

00:40:19: let's call it dark side or let's called it these concerts were.

00:40:23: things didn't go well.

00:40:24: And I think that is part of this process.

00:40:28: Definitely!

00:40:28: I mean definitely!

00:40:29: I had iKai concerts and I remember Brahms one when I was in school there In the States.

00:40:35: There was last concert on the season.

00:40:37: The hall was packed.

00:40:38: It was playing timpani.

00:40:40: It's like almost a variable.

00:40:46: And the third one is different, it's a bit longer and I came out of this world a little early together... I don't know what was that whole orchestra.

00:41:00: A complete big solo timpani!

00:41:05: Yeah?

00:41:05: It happens.

00:41:06: yeah you are human just makes you, I think it makes me awake.

00:41:15: Makes like oh okay!

00:41:16: You're not perfect?

00:41:18: You are not

00:41:18: great?!

00:41:19: Just a human playing an instrument and having a concert.

00:41:25: but yeah i'm sure there's this big monsters of the music.

00:41:30: they had mistakes too.

00:41:32: It would be great to hear...to listen what-what they have to say or is the greatest stories.

00:41:39: But yeah, it's very important to leave this experience so you can say okay I'm awake.

00:41:44: I am aware of what happens and not just like... And now i see a bug that is like we laugh with each other.

00:41:51: It means great story but life goes on.

00:41:56: Life goes on and do learn from these things.

00:41:58: Amazing!

00:41:59: Cristobal its nice to hear all the thing about you.

00:42:04: It's so important to hear the clarity you have when you speak.

00:42:08: When I hear percussionists and I hear a man, somebody who experienced a lot lived a lot traveled a lot suffered with things of course.

00:42:20: And to think does things happen over time?

00:42:27: Not overnight.

00:42:29: I started and i do it.

00:42:30: but this process when you make like, This marathon or this half-marathon And this concert.

00:42:36: Big concert!

00:42:36: And big passage to work on it and trust yourself To be aware of what u can't.

00:42:45: So for me It was a pleasure having you here as a farewell?

00:42:54: No, just thank you.

00:42:56: Thank you for your help and it was great to talk about all these things.

00:43:01: Great!

00:43:01: So I wish the best of luck and looking forward to hear from you soon.

00:43:06: Yeah,

00:43:06: thanks very much and all the best for you too.

00:43:09: Bye bye.

00:43:12: If something in this episode resonated with you i invite you take a look at mental notes.

00:43:17: The link is on description.

00:43:19: There you'll find texts videos and short resources that can help you explore these ideas further and most importantly spaced to talk about them.

00:43:29: Thank you for taking the time to listen to me, see you next time.

00:43:33: take care of yourself

00:43:34: bye!